I can't believe you guys took out GTK1

I know you must want to progress in the world of GTK2, so do I, but the problem is there are many other apps out there besides what lives in the Zenwalk package world that still need GTK1

I had to take gtk+-1.2.10-i386-3 out of Zenwalk 3.0 and install it.

PLEASE compile GKT1 again for Zenwalk 4.0 the world of Linux isn't ready to completely dump GTK1, and neither should Zenwalk, this is a really bad move limiting people.

ALOHA

GTK+ 1 will still be available in the archive or extra repos. Just not on the iso anymore since nothing really needs it.

Old gtk+1 packages work nicely on zenwalk-4.0. But seriously someday in the future gtk+3/gnome3 may be out, so if an applications is still supported it would be really time to port it to gtk+2.

I can't believe someone would said, " nothing really needs it"

Where did you get this idea from?

There are many apps out there for Linux that still require the GTK1 lib.

Now maybe not what's in Zenwalk 4.0 at the moment.

I needed GTK1 yesterday, and had to install it off the 3.0 iso

Xgates: nothing on the ISO doesn't need it anymore.

Yes I know this is what you mean, but you just want to restrict people to ONLY what is in Zenwalk?

There is a whole world of applications, thousands of them that extend beyond Zenwalk, so the community still needs this if they want to install other applications outside Zenwalk, or compile their own.

I think gtk1 will be installed automatically when needed as dependency, so I do not see your problem Xgates.

The same could be said about QT etc.... also not available but needed for much packages.

Jan

How can it be installed as a dependancy when you go out and download your own app and install, or compile it, it's not going to work this way. YES for something in the Zenwalk TREE you might get it, that's not what I'm talking about.

I was talking about packages outside of Zenwalk, and someone wanting to get something else that wasn't available in Zenwalk, and when you do it like this there is not going to be any dependencies installed your going to have to make sure they are there.

A LIB as big as GTK1 should not be removed from any distro at this point in time, even Slackware still uses it. 

I do not agree with you. I am happy it is not installed anymore.
When I need a package, I do check it's dependencies and can still install gtk1.

Jan

AGAIN you still did not UNDERSTAND what I just said. I am talking about INSTALLING applications OUTSIDE the Zenwalk packages.

PLEASE READ!

A person doesn't need to make a package to install something, they can simply run:

./configure && make && make install to install something into /usr/local

If after reading this, then you don't understand using a distro like this or slackware, and I don't mean to say this to be mean, or rude, but that is the truth.

Zenwalk, just like Slackware might have their own packages, but that does not mean a user has to use ONLY precompiled packs provided by the distro.

You use a distro like Zen & Slack for flexibility so you can compile your own too, otherwise, why is there the Zen Community for people wanting to contribute packs?

This isn't a matter of what I like, or you like war, this is understanding that if we want to maintain the flexibility for applications that still use this library, then you keep it installed, until one day it is completely and utterly considered obsolete, deprecated, and no longer in use, and it is not.

Let's get the facts straight here! GTK1 is still to big a library to remove at this point in time, unless you are trying to make users, only use what's in the distro tree. 

Xgates: there's no need to shout. Keep it polite.

Also Graveman right now has issues with burning BIG files over 2 GB, so I installed Nero because I have used it in the past, so please no flames about it being non opensource BS, I don't need to hear it, I'm a Linux geek of 10 years I know the deal on all the cd/dvd burning apps, and to get something SMALL without all the dependencies then this is a VERY small app to install, and works nice.

I got the Nero RPM, converted it to a tar then made it into a Zen pack and installed it, and it worked flawlessly.

NOW people can do the samething with other apps getting something in a rpm and do the samething, that might require GTK1 as well.

Granted I don't condone this method of using rpms, but once in a great while it could be, and might be needed, and with Nero for anyone wanting it, then it is.

Sorry I'm not trying to shout I was just trying to get your attention since you did not read and pay attention to what I was saying. 

Just re-read what I'm saying.

THANKS

Hi XGates,

I did already understand your statement, but did not agree with it.

I do understand you mean people compiling their own packages or using packages from somewhere else on the internet.

But when people are doing that, they have to check if everything is available at their system, including gtk1 I think.
And that is why I did not agree.

As said, it is available in the repository, no need to install it from a ZW3.0 iso.
Simply use netpkg gtk and it should be installed I guess..

Jan

Lontronics it's not in Netpkg GTK I looked.

I was just stating that the GTK library is something to big to leave out, this isn't something you want people to have to deal with compiling.

GTK is one of the most fundamental libraries for Linux, and I don't think you'll find to many if any distro right now leaving GTK1 out.