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Post by cfuttrup » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:51 pm

Hi all,

The news section has had a "letter" added to it:

http://www.zenwalk.org/modules/news/art ... storyid=16

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Post by Steve` » Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:05 pm

Nice one, congratulations and thanks for your work.
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Post by Darkscot » Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:22 pm

cfuttrup wrote:Hi all,


That is an excellent article Claus, well done. 
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Post by hyperion » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:42 pm

congratulations :)

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Post by Fox » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:01 pm

Nice article. It looks like it gives almost entire information to a newbie. May be some explains about links (especially simlinks as they are used more frequently) and virtual desktops should be added. Windows has nothing like both of them, so it's hard to get a grip of what they really are and what advantages they give.

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Post by cfuttrup » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:44 am

It is "out there" now. We gave permission to make the same/similar article on DesktopLinux http://www.desktoplinux.com/

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS3507977927.html

Also it is referenced from tuxmachines http://www.tuxmachines.org/

http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/9655

Hopefully more people will discover it, and it will "walk around the world" ...

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Re: For Windows users

Post by prfaasse » Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:03 am

1) Very nice story: show it to the world  ;D Oops, you already did  ;)
2) I have some editorial remarks. Use at your own discretion.

The following sentence may lack some words:
    It was dedicated computers, with t

Suggest:

  support of the OS installed on the compu -->
  support of the OS that was installed on the compu

  There is a /home directory for each user of the system  -->
  There is a subdirectory in the /home directory for each user of the system

  Probably this move also made effects into the core of the system -->
  Probably this move also had effects upon the core of the system

  ge does not exist (it happens very rarely) you can be forced to -->
  ge does not exist (it happens very rarely) you are encouraged  to

  Today you can put a Window manager on top of this system that a -->
  Today's Linux systems use a fully graphical interface ...

  world - there is excellent support. Linux has native support for the most
  important hardware:
 

     
  • basic CPU's (beyond AMD and Intel platforms)
     
  • IDE + SCS
      ...
      Somehow your html tags 'leaked' into the text....
     
    non-textual remarks:

    1) ref: 'ngs are tied into the kernel. Devi': Windows has a 'chaotic' files-structure, bound together by an 'undocumented' registry. Linux has a more structured approach to system files, bound together by a relatively 'chaotic' set of /etc configuration files.

    2) Where Windows is 'full of surprises' in the sense of undocumented 'features', Linux is 100% transparant to anyone who can read the -all pervasive- source code. There is no such thing as a 'hidden agenda' in Linux: it's impossible to effectively hide anything (for long -that is-).

    3) In the Windows 'world' it is pretended that the security of your system is something that can be a 'no-brainer'. In Linux no such pretense is made. Both Linux and Windows can be made quite secure, but the Windows mind-set severely hampers the effectivenss of the users in securing their systems.

    4) Windows is a (single) 'corporation-driven' operating system. Linux is primarily a user-driven operating system. The development of Windows will always be hampered by the fact that all innovations in Windows have to be funneled through the Microsoft corporation.

    5) w.r.t. hardware support: You mentioned support for new hardware; Regarding old hardware: In Windows the support for old hardware dies quickly after any relevant version upgrade of the OS, or of the hardware itself; The hardware driver source code generally dies with the support. In Linux, the support for hardware dies only when the last competent (in terms of driver maintenance) user loses interest. No driver source code is ever truely destroyed.
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Re: For Windows users

Post by hyperion » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:47 am

Yes, these seem good improvements, Claus please could apply Peter modifications :)

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Re: For Windows users

Post by markc » Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:00 pm

Yes, nice.

btw, Unix is a child of the 1970s, not 60s.  Still, "the 60s happened in the 70s" as somebody once remarked.
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Re: For Windows users

Post by metatux » Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:28 pm

cool but definitivly toooooo large.

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Re: For Windows users

Post by cfuttrup » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:17 pm

hyperion wrote:Yes, these seem good improvements, Claus please could apply Peter modifications :)


I'd be happy to see Peters improvements in our version on zenwalk.org ... Who can do it? I believe I cannot do it myself, if I am wrong please tell me how.

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Re: For Windows users

Post by hyperion » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:25 am

Claus : you can ! your account has rights to do so.

Just click "edit" at the bottom of the page

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Re: For Windows users

Post by cfuttrup » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:53 pm

I've added Peters recommended changes. Thanks.

The "non-textual" remarks have not been addressed. It's not that I think this is irrelevant, but the current paper also has a flow-as-you-go ... it works.

Another issue, too much technicalities (and being precise in what you say) and people will stumble in the process. (it's already a bit too technical)

I've sent a request for modification of the DesktopLinux article as well. It's under works. Some parts have been changed by Rick Lehrbaum ... which I'll do to our version as well (after the DesktopLinux version has been updated to include Peters comments).

EDIT: BTW, thanks for your help.

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Re: For Windows users

Post by pete_bogg » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:03 pm

My memory is somewhat fuzzy, but I seem to remember using the 'CP/M' operating system on homebuilt 'personal' computers in the late 70's - early 80's.  I don't remember hearing about (ms)DOS until later.
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Re: For Windows users

Post by prfaasse » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:35 pm

Don't doubt your memory: FCB's, 8+3 filenames, 180 KBytes 5 1/4" floppies, FAT filesystem are all barely modified CP/M 'features' that made it to MSDOS-1.0 . I still have a CP/M-2.2 manual somewhere: makes nice reading; I particularly like the best-named debugger ever: DDT  ;D
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